Well, it seems obvious … but nice to have it confirmed!
Why would you leave money in a checking or savings account while also carrying a credit card balance? Economists call this question the credit card debt puzzle. That’s because simultaneously holding both liquid assets and credit card debt seemingly makes no sense if the interest rates paid on deposit accounts are substantially lower than the interest rates charged on unpaid credit card balances — which they always are. In late 2021, the average rate paid was 0.06%, and the average rate charged was 16.13%.
And yet in 2019, according to a new Federal Reserve Bank of Boston working paper, 42% of the people surveyed carried — or “revolved” — credit card debt while maintaining some liquid assets, typically as a balance in their bank accounts. The paper was written by Boston Fed senior economist and policy advisor Joanna Stavins and Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta payments risk expert Claire Greene.
The authors look at why consumers make such a choice. As indicated by the paper’s title, “Credit Card Debt Puzzle: Liquid Assets to Pay Bills,” Stavins and Greene show these “borrower-savers” left money in the bank to cover monthly bills and other necessary expenses including mortgage or rent. They find that more than 80% of borrower-savers’ bills (by value) were paid using checks, online bill payments, and other out-of-bank-account payment instruments.
“Even those consumers who carry costly unpaid credit card debt must keep a substantial balance in liquid assets to pay their bills,” the authors write. “Thus, the credit card puzzle is not a puzzle at all.”
There’s also this:
We use the 1979 National Longitudinal Survey of Youth to revisit what is termed the credit card debt puzzle: why consumers simultaneously co-hold high-interest credit card debt and low-interest assets that could be used to pay down this debt. Relative to individuals with no credit card debt but positive liquid assets, borrower-savers have very different perceptions of future credit access risk and use credit cards for precautionary motives. Moreover, changing perceptions about credit access risk are essential for predicting transitions among the two groups. Preferences and the composition of financial portfolios also play a role in these transitions.
… and this:
This article investigates the credit card debt puzzle. Simultaneously holding credit card debt and liquid assets is puzzling given the sizeable difference between interest rates of debt and assets. However, this behavior is common—about 31% of households in the 2016 Survey of Consumer Finances. The cost of co-holding may be justified if consumers anticipate future restrictions in credit or if they need to maintain liquidity. Other existing explanations for co-holding include impulsive spending and low financial literacy. This research reveals a new explanation for the credit card debt puzzle: consumers’ overconfidence of their financial knowledge. Using a Coarsened Exact Matching method, we found that overconfident consumers were 20%-40% more likely to co-hold credit card debt and liquid assets.
… and probably a lot of other material as well!
HIMIPref™ Preferred Indices These values reflect the December 2008 revision of the HIMIPref™ Indices Values are provisional and are finalized monthly |
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Index | Mean Current Yield (at bid) |
Median YTW |
Median Average Trading Value |
Median Mod Dur (YTW) |
Issues | Day’s Perf. | Index Value |
Ratchet | 0.00 % | 0.00 % | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | -1.6166 % | 2,456.4 |
FixedFloater | 0.00 % | 0.00 % | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | -1.6166 % | 4,711.4 |
Floater | 6.44 % | 6.52 % | 54,864 | 13.11 | 2 | -1.6166 % | 2,715.2 |
OpRet | 0.00 % | 0.00 % | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.0850 % | 3,475.6 |
SplitShare | 4.89 % | 5.82 % | 39,228 | 3.08 | 8 | 0.0850 % | 4,150.6 |
Interest-Bearing | 0.00 % | 0.00 % | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.0850 % | 3,238.4 |
Perpetual-Premium | 0.00 % | 0.00 % | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | -0.5719 % | 2,862.9 |
Perpetual-Discount | 5.95 % | 6.11 % | 72,696 | 13.76 | 35 | -0.5719 % | 3,121.8 |
FixedReset Disc | 4.72 % | 5.85 % | 115,238 | 14.02 | 59 | 0.0494 % | 2,507.3 |
Insurance Straight | 5.89 % | 5.97 % | 84,270 | 13.91 | 19 | -0.5067 % | 3,057.0 |
FloatingReset | 7.09 % | 7.30 % | 38,451 | 12.12 | 2 | 0.1879 % | 2,596.5 |
FixedReset Prem | 5.10 % | 4.64 % | 116,223 | 1.87 | 6 | 0.0329 % | 2,597.0 |
FixedReset Bank Non | 0.00 % | 0.00 % | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.0494 % | 2,563.0 |
FixedReset Ins Non | 4.69 % | 6.15 % | 54,003 | 13.84 | 14 | 0.0365 % | 2,599.8 |
Performance Highlights | |||
Issue | Index | Change | Notes |
BAM.PR.Z | FixedReset Disc | -9.46 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 20.01 Evaluated at bid price : 20.01 Bid-YTW : 7.29 % |
CU.PR.H | Perpetual-Discount | -3.59 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.50 Evaluated at bid price : 21.50 Bid-YTW : 6.12 % |
RY.PR.S | FixedReset Disc | -2.08 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 23.13 Evaluated at bid price : 23.55 Bid-YTW : 5.48 % |
BAM.PR.K | Floater | -2.00 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 12.76 Evaluated at bid price : 12.76 Bid-YTW : 6.54 % |
SLF.PR.G | FixedReset Ins Non | -1.98 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 14.36 Evaluated at bid price : 14.36 Bid-YTW : 6.67 % |
CM.PR.P | FixedReset Disc | -1.93 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.38 Evaluated at bid price : 21.38 Bid-YTW : 5.75 % |
GWO.PR.H | Insurance Straight | -1.45 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 20.45 Evaluated at bid price : 20.45 Bid-YTW : 6.02 % |
IFC.PR.E | Insurance Straight | -1.33 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.83 Evaluated at bid price : 22.20 Bid-YTW : 5.92 % |
PWF.PR.K | Perpetual-Discount | -1.30 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 20.43 Evaluated at bid price : 20.43 Bid-YTW : 6.11 % |
PWF.PR.F | Perpetual-Discount | -1.29 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.47 Evaluated at bid price : 21.47 Bid-YTW : 6.17 % |
PWF.PR.E | Perpetual-Discount | -1.28 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 22.07 Evaluated at bid price : 22.30 Bid-YTW : 6.21 % |
POW.PR.G | Perpetual-Discount | -1.26 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 22.55 Evaluated at bid price : 22.81 Bid-YTW : 6.20 % |
PWF.PF.A | Perpetual-Discount | -1.25 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 18.91 Evaluated at bid price : 18.91 Bid-YTW : 6.00 % |
BAM.PR.B | Floater | -1.23 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 12.80 Evaluated at bid price : 12.80 Bid-YTW : 6.52 % |
GWO.PR.S | Insurance Straight | -1.10 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.36 Evaluated at bid price : 21.66 Bid-YTW : 6.14 % |
IFC.PR.K | Perpetual-Discount | -1.07 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.79 Evaluated at bid price : 22.11 Bid-YTW : 6.01 % |
PVS.PR.K | SplitShare | -1.07 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Hard Maturity Maturity Date : 2029-05-31 Maturity Price : 25.00 Evaluated at bid price : 23.05 Bid-YTW : 6.04 % |
PWF.PR.R | Perpetual-Discount | -1.06 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 22.08 Evaluated at bid price : 22.36 Bid-YTW : 6.19 % |
GWO.PR.M | Insurance Straight | -1.04 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 23.63 Evaluated at bid price : 23.90 Bid-YTW : 6.15 % |
CIU.PR.A | Perpetual-Discount | -1.01 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 19.70 Evaluated at bid price : 19.70 Bid-YTW : 5.85 % |
MFC.PR.C | Insurance Straight | -1.01 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 19.70 Evaluated at bid price : 19.70 Bid-YTW : 5.81 % |
BIP.PR.A | FixedReset Disc | 1.03 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 19.65 Evaluated at bid price : 19.65 Bid-YTW : 7.62 % |
NA.PR.E | FixedReset Disc | 1.06 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 23.11 Evaluated at bid price : 23.75 Bid-YTW : 5.65 % |
BAM.PR.M | Perpetual-Discount | 1.12 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 19.82 Evaluated at bid price : 19.82 Bid-YTW : 6.08 % |
NA.PR.S | FixedReset Disc | 1.13 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.80 Evaluated at bid price : 22.30 Bid-YTW : 5.72 % |
BAM.PF.B | FixedReset Disc | 1.15 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 19.35 Evaluated at bid price : 19.35 Bid-YTW : 6.99 % |
PVS.PR.J | SplitShare | 1.18 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Hard Maturity Maturity Date : 2028-02-29 Maturity Price : 25.00 Evaluated at bid price : 23.18 Bid-YTW : 6.16 % |
TRP.PR.C | FixedReset Disc | 1.24 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 13.84 Evaluated at bid price : 13.84 Bid-YTW : 6.95 % |
MFC.PR.Q | FixedReset Ins Non | 1.85 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.61 Evaluated at bid price : 22.00 Bid-YTW : 6.15 % |
FTS.PR.K | FixedReset Disc | 2.15 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 18.55 Evaluated at bid price : 18.55 Bid-YTW : 6.57 % |
IFC.PR.C | FixedReset Disc | 3.20 % | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 19.99 Evaluated at bid price : 19.99 Bid-YTW : 6.29 % |
Volume Highlights | |||
Issue | Index | Shares Traded |
Notes |
BAM.PF.G | FixedReset Disc | 158,963 | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 17.60 Evaluated at bid price : 17.60 Bid-YTW : 7.47 % |
SLF.PR.E | Insurance Straight | 105,200 | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 20.11 Evaluated at bid price : 20.11 Bid-YTW : 5.68 % |
RY.PR.M | FixedReset Disc | 75,900 | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.30 Evaluated at bid price : 21.30 Bid-YTW : 5.85 % |
BMO.PR.T | FixedReset Disc | 71,200 | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.35 Evaluated at bid price : 21.66 Bid-YTW : 5.65 % |
BAM.PR.Z | FixedReset Disc | 62,723 | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 20.01 Evaluated at bid price : 20.01 Bid-YTW : 7.29 % |
CM.PR.O | FixedReset Disc | 51,800 | YTW SCENARIO Maturity Type : Limit Maturity Maturity Date : 2052-08-09 Maturity Price : 21.52 Evaluated at bid price : 21.89 Bid-YTW : 5.69 % |
There were 19 other index-included issues trading in excess of 10,000 shares. |
Wide Spread Highlights | ||
Issue | Index | Quote Data and Yield Notes |
BAM.PR.Z | FixedReset Disc | Quote: 20.01 – 22.10 Spot Rate : 2.0900 Average : 1.4628 YTW SCENARIO |
PWF.PF.A | Perpetual-Discount | Quote: 18.91 – 20.59 Spot Rate : 1.6800 Average : 1.2626 YTW SCENARIO |
BAM.PR.K | Floater | Quote: 12.76 – 14.40 Spot Rate : 1.6400 Average : 1.3439 YTW SCENARIO |
TRP.PR.E | FixedReset Disc | Quote: 17.15 – 18.10 Spot Rate : 0.9500 Average : 0.6906 YTW SCENARIO |
CU.PR.J | Perpetual-Discount | Quote: 20.30 – 21.83 Spot Rate : 1.5300 Average : 1.3032 YTW SCENARIO |
SLF.PR.H | FixedReset Ins Non | Quote: 17.77 – 18.50 Spot Rate : 0.7300 Average : 0.5207 YTW SCENARIO |
https://www.bce.ca/investors/preferred-shares/2022-conversion-notice-series-aa.pdf
BCE.pr.a will reset at 4.94%. Given the 5 year bond at 2.79%, not a big spread. Converting to floating probably more interesting given prime at 4.7%. I know we will probably have the true privilege of a formal analysis from James on this.