Malachite Aggressive Preferred Fund’s Net Asset Value per Unit as of the close August 31, 2023, was $7.8199.
Performance was affected by BN.PR.R underperforming at -7.75% [more than offsetting last month’s outperformance], TD.PF.C at -7.05% [again, more than offsetting last month] and NA.PR.W at -5.92%. This was mitigated by good performance (relatively speaking!) from FTS.PR.M [-3.25%], PWF.PR.P [-3.53%, almost offsetting last month] and NA.PR.S [-3.57%] [small holdings are not considered for mention here].
I feel it is only a matter of time before investors start paying attention to the fundamental risk of these instruments compared to their eye-popping interest-equivalent yields. In addition, the market appears to be giving considerable weight to Current Yield as a measure of valuation, ignoring or strongly deprecating the potential for large dividend increases on the next few years of resets.
FixedResets continue to yield more, in general, than PerpetualDiscounts; on August 31, I reported median YTWs of 9.18% and 7.13%, respectively, for these two indices; compare with mean Current Yields of 6.07% and 6.95%, respectively. RY.PR.J, to take a representative example, is calculated by HIMIPref™ as having a yield-to-worst of 9.26% at monthend (Current Yield of 4.62%); bid at 17.30, resetting 2025-5-24 at a spread of 274bp over GOC-5 (assumed to be constant at 4.08%) and currently paying 0.80 p.a. (3.20% annually). The next pay-date is 2023-11-24; it is trading cum-dividend.
If we plug the above data into the yield calculator for resets (which is discussed here), we arrive at a quarterly annualized yield of 9.05% for RY.PR.J (this is quarterly compounded yield, not semi-annually as in HIMIPref™ there are also implementation differences). To take this down to 21bp (the difference between the spreadsheets and HIMIPref™) below the PerpetualDiscount median index yield of 7.13% (to account for the calculation methodological differences), which is to say 6.92%, requires the assumption that GOC-5 will be 2.28% forever, as opposed the ‘constant rate’ assumption of 4.08%. Well … pays yer money and takes yer chances, gents! Assiduous Readers with long memories will liken this to all the calculations of Break-even Rate Shock when the puzzle represented the same problem with a different sign! Note that even if the unfavourable scenario of GOC-5 = 2.28% is realized, this has only reduced the yield of RY.PR.J to that of the median PerpetualDiscount yield, which isn’t the worst outcome one might fear from one’s investments!
| Returns to August 31, 2023 | ||||
| Period | MAPF | TXPR* Total Return |
CPD – according to Blackrock | |
| One Month | -4.42% | -4.21% | N/A | |
| Three Months | +1.73% | -1.58% | N/A | |
| One Year | -10.99% | -12.31% | -12.68% | |
| Two Years (annualized) | -10.45% | -9.60% | N/A | |
| Three Years (annualized) | +6.20% | +0.75% | +0.24% | |
| Four Years (annualized) | +5.94% | +2.05% | N/A | |
| Five Years (annualized) | -0.65% | -1.28% | -1.63% | |
| Six Years (annualized) | +1.29% | +0.04% | N/A | |
| Seven Years (annualized) | +4.35% | +2.02% | N/A | |
| Eight Years (annualized) | +3.96% | +2.09% | N/A | |
| Nine Years (annualized) | +1.49% | -0.02% | N/A | |
| Ten Years (annualized) | +2.44% | +0.63% | N/A | |
| Eleven Years (annualized) | +2.12% | +0.48% | ||
| Twelve Years (annualized) | +2.29% | +0.86% | ||
| Thirteen Years (annualized) | +3.20% | +1.43% | ||
| Fourteen Years (annualized) | +3.64% | +1.75% | ||
| Fifteen Years (annualized) | +6.62% | +2.06% | ||
| Sixteen Years (annualized) | +6.10% | +1.51% | ||
| Seventeen Years (annualized) | +5.94% | |||
| Eighteen Years (annualized) | +5.94% | |||
| Nineteen Years (annualized) | +5.97% | |||
| Twenty Years (annualized) | +6.54% | |||
| Twenty-One Years (annualized) | +7.08% | |||
| Twenty-Two Years (annualized) | +7.08% | |||
| MAPF returns assume reinvestment of distributions, and are shown after expenses but before fees. | ||||
| The BMO Capital Markets “50” Preferred Share Index is no longer being calculated. The final performance report incorporating this venerable index was published as of December, 2020. | ||||
| “TXPR” is the S&P/TSX Preferred Share Index. It is calculated without accounting for fees, but does assume reinvestment of dividends. | ||||
| CPD Returns are for the NAV and are after all fees and expenses. Reinvestment of dividends is assumed. | ||||
| Figures for National Bank Preferred Equity Income Fund (formerly Omega Preferred Equity) (which are after all fees and expenses) for 1-, 3- and 12-months are +%, -% and -%, respectively, according to Globe & Mail / Fundata after all fees & expenses. Three year performance is +%; five year is +%; ten year is +%.
Figures from Morningstar are no longer conveniently available. |
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| Manulife Preferred Income Class Adv has been terminated by Manulife. The performance of this fund was last reported here in March, 2018. | ||||
| Figures for Horizons Active Preferred Share ETF (HPR) (which are after all fees and expenses) for 1-, 3- and 12-months are -3.79%, +0.03% & -11.19%, respectively. Three year performance is +2.73%, five-year is -1.12%, ten year is +1.39% | ||||
| Figures for National Bank Preferred Equity Fund (formerly Altamira Preferred Equity Fund) are +%, +% and -% for one-, three- and twelve months, respectively. Three year performance is +%; five-year is -%; ten-year is +%
Acccording to the fund’s fact sheet as of June 30, 2016, the fund’s inception date was October 30, 2015. I do not know how they justify this nonsensical statement, but will assume that prior performance is being suppressed in some perfectly legal manner that somebody at National considers ethical. The last time Altamira Preferred Equity Fund’s performance was reported here was April, 2014; performance under the National Bank banner was first reported here May, 2014. |
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| The figures for the NAV of BMO S&P/TSX Laddered Preferred Share Index ETF (ZPR) is -12.78% for the past twelve months. Two year performance is -9.11%, three year is +2.56%, five year is -1.10%, ten year is -0.17% | ||||
| Figures for Fiera Canadian Preferred Share Class Cg Series F, (formerly Natixis Canadian Preferred Share Class Series F) (formerly NexGen Canadian Preferred Share Tax Managed Fund) are no longer available as the Fund is now the property of Canoe Financial. The last reported performance for the merged fund was May 2020. | ||||
| Figures for BMO Preferred Share Fund (advisor series) according to BMO are -4.48%, -1.28% and -13.67% for the past one-, three- and twelve-months, respectively. Two year performance is -11.26%; three year is -1.15%; five-year is -3.60%; ten-year is -1.25%. | ||||
| Figures for PowerShares Canadian Preferred Share Index Class, Series F (PPS) are no longer available since the fund has been terminated. Performance was last reported for the fund to month-end, March 2023 | ||||
| Figures for the First Asset Preferred Share Investment Trust (PSF.UN) are no longer available since the fund has merged with First Asset Preferred Share ETF (FPR).
Performance for the fund was last reported here in September, 2016; the first report of unavailability was in October, 2016. |
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| Figures for Lysander-Slater Preferred Share Dividend Fund (Class F) according to the company are -3.2%, -1.1% and -11.1% for the past one, three and twelve months, respectively. Three year performance is +4.7%, five-year is -1.7%. | ||||
| Figures for the Desjardins Canadian Preferred Share Fund A Class (A Class), as reported by the company are -4.03%, -1.34% and -12.00% for the past one, three and twelve months, respectively. Two year performance is -10.21%, three-year is +0.29%, five-year is -2.56% | ||||
| Figures for the RBC Canadian Preferred Share ETF (RPF) are reported by Morningstar as -4.90%, -0.94% and -14.73% for the past one, three and twelve months, respectively. Three-year performance is +1.58%, five-year is -2.03% | ||||
| Figures for the Dynamic Active Preferred Shares ETF (DXP) are +%, -% and -% for the past one, three and twelve months, respectively. Three-year performance is +%; five-year is +% | ||||
| Figures for the Purpose Canadian Preferred Share Fund (Class F) are -3.84%, -1.21% and -7.45% for the past one, three and twelve months, respectively. Three-year performance is +4.89%; five-year is -1.33%; seven-year is +2.09%; ten-year is +4.43%. | ||||
The five-year Canada yield increased, with the five-year Canada yield (“GOC-5”) rising from 3.97% at July month-end to 4.08% at August month-end.
The Seniority Spread (between long-term corporate bonds and interest-equivalent PerpetualDiscounts) was 390bp as of 2023-8-31 (chart end-date 2023-8-11) :
The situation with FixedResets is interesting, with the spread between GOC-5 and the interest-adjusted FixedReset (Discount) rate widening significantly from its 2021-11-10 low of 344bp to its current level of 798bp (as of 2023-8-30) … (chart end-date 2023-8-11):
…while at the same time the interest-equivalent spread between FixedReset (Discounts) and PerpetualDiscounts has narrowed to -266bp (as of 2023-8-31) from its 2021-7-28 level of +170bp (chart end-date 2023-8-11):
There is no significant correlation between the Issue Reset Spread and 1-month performance for discounted FixedResets for either the Pfd-2 or Pfd-3 Group issues, which is normal because there is a lot of noise in this inefficient market.
However, the normally moderate correlations between Issue Reset Spread and three-month performance have disappeared again in this month’s check:
Results for the regressions of performance against term-to-reset echo those found last month. I interpret this as implying that the market is using the FixedReset market as a proxy to make interest rate forecasting bets, but I am at a loss to discern any coherent vision to results in the year to date.
There no significant correlation for the Pfd-2 Group but there was a small one for the Pfd-3 (15%) Group for 1-Month performance against term-to-reset; there seems to be some additional effect of a less than one-year term to reset:
… and for three-month performance against term-to-reset, there were significant correlations for both the Pfd-2 Group (27%) and the Pfd-3 Group (36%):
It should be noted that to some extent such a dependence (of performance on term-to-reset) can be justified as the nearer-term issues will receive the benefit of higher projected dividend rates sooner as a result of higher GOC-5 yields and therefore, perhaps, for longer. Equations for the relationship between correlation slope and change in GOC-5 were derived in the August 2022 PrefLetter. In the three months from May 31 to August 31, the GOC-5 rate increased from 3.61% to 4.08%.
I keep talking about ‘Sustainable Income’ and nowadays it’s far higher than the dividends that are currently being distributed. This is because Sustainable Income is the average yield-to-worst (YTW) of the portfolio when the YTW is calculated to perpetuity (or to redemption, of course, if the yield to redemption is lower), including resets at the current GOC-5 rate. The sharp increase in GOC-5 in the past year-odd has caused the difference between YTW and Current Yield to skyrocket, but one way or another I expect that these two values will become much closer – slowly at first, but quickening in about two years. We have to wait for the reset date of the MAPF portfolio securities before we see a change in actual cash receipts – and, of course, there is no guarantee whatsoever that the rate used for estimation purposes now will be used for the actual calculation in the future (chart prepared as of 2023-8-11).
| Calculation of MAPF Sustainable Income Per Unit | ||||||
| Month | NAVPU | Portfolio Average YTW |
Leverage Divisor |
Securities Average YTW |
Capital Gains Multiplier |
Sustainable Income per current Unit |
| June, 2007 | 9.3114 | 5.16% | 1.03 | 5.01% | 1.3240 | 0.3524 |
| September | 9.1489 | 5.35% | 0.98 | 5.46% | 1.3240 | 0.3773 |
| December, 2007 | 9.0070 | 5.53% | 0.942 | 5.87% | 1.3240 | 0.3993 |
| March, 2008 | 8.8512 | 6.17% | 1.047 | 5.89% | 1.3240 | 0.3938 |
| June | 8.3419 | 6.034% | 0.952 | 6.338% | 1.3240 | $0.3993 |
| September | 8.1886 | 7.108% | 0.969 | 7.335% | 1.3240 | $0.4537 |
| December, 2008 | 8.0464 | 9.24% | 1.008 | 9.166% | 1.3240 | $0.5571 |
| March 2009 | $8.8317 | 8.60% | 0.995 | 8.802% | 1.3240 | $0.5872 |
| June | 10.9846 | 7.05% | 0.999 | 7.057% | 1.3240 | $0.5855 |
| September | 12.3462 | 6.03% | 0.998 | 6.042% | 1.3240 | $0.5634 |
| December 2009 | 10.5662 | 5.74% | 0.981 | 5.851% | 1.1141 | $0.5549 |
| March 2010 | 10.2497 | 6.03% | 0.992 | 6.079% | 1.1141 | $0.5593 |
| June | 10.5770 | 5.96% | 0.996 | 5.984% | 1.1141 | $0.5681 |
| September | 11.3901 | 5.43% | 0.980 | 5.540% | 1.1141 | $0.5664 |
| December 2010 | 10.7659 | 5.37% | 0.993 | 5.408% | 1.0298 | $0.5654 |
| March, 2011 | 11.0560 | 6.00% | 0.994 | 5.964% | 1.0298 | $0.6403 |
| June | 11.1194 | 5.87% | 1.018 | 5.976% | 1.0298 | $0.6453 |
| September | 10.2709 | 6.10% Note |
1.001 | 6.106% | 1.0298 | $0.6090 |
| December, 2011 | 10.0793 | 5.63% Note |
1.031 | 5.805% | 1.0000 | $0.5851 |
| March, 2012 | 10.3944 | 5.13% Note |
0.996 | 5.109% | 1.0000 | $0.5310 |
| June | 10.2151 | 5.32% Note |
1.012 | 5.384% | 1.0000 | $0.5500 |
| September | 10.6703 | 4.61% Note |
0.997 | 4.624% | 1.0000 | $0.4934 |
| December, 2012 | 10.8307 | 4.24% | 0.989 | 4.287% | 1.0000 | $0.4643 |
| March, 2013 | 10.9033 | 3.87% | 0.996 | 3.886% | 1.0000 | $0.4237 |
| June | 10.3261 | 4.81% | 0.998 | 4.80% | 1.0000 | $0.4957 |
| September | 10.0296 | 5.62% | 0.996 | 5.643% | 1.0000 | $0.5660 |
| December, 2013 | 9.8717 | 6.02% | 1.008 | 5.972% | 1.0000 | $0.5895 |
| March, 2014 | 10.2233 | 5.55% | 0.998 | 5.561% | 1.0000 | $0.5685 |
| June | 10.5877 | 5.09% | 0.998 | 5.100% | 1.0000 | $0.5395 |
| September | 10.4601 | 5.28% | 0.997 | 5.296% | 1.0000 | $0.5540 |
| December, 2014 | 10.5701 | 4.83% | 1.009 | 4.787% | 1.0000 | $0.5060 |
| March, 2015 | 9.9573 | 4.99% | 1.001 | 4.985% | 1.0000 | $0.4964 |
| June, 2015 | 9.4181 | 5.55% | 1.002 | 5.539% | 1.0000 | $0.5217 |
| September | 7.8140 | 6.98% | 0.999 | 6.987% | 1.0000 | $0.5460 |
| December, 2015 | 8.1379 | 6.85% | 0.997 | 6.871% | 1.0000 | $0.5592 |
| March, 2016 | 7.4416 | 7.79% | 0.998 | 7.805% | 1.0000 | $0.5808 |
| June | 7.6704 | 7.67% | 1.011 | 7.587% | 1.0000 | $0.5819 |
| September | 8.0590 | 7.35% | 0.993 | 7.402% | 1.0000 | $0.5965 |
| December, 2016 | 8.5844 | 7.24% | 0.990 | 7.313% | 1.0000 | $0.6278 |
| March, 2017 | 9.3984 | 6.26% | 0.994 | 6.298% | 1.0000 | $0.5919 |
| June | 9.5313 | 6.41% | 0.998 | 6.423% | 1.0000 | $0.6122 |
| September | 9.7129 | 6.56% | 0.998 | 6.573% | 1.0000 | $0.6384 |
| December, 2017 | 10.0566 | 6.06% | 1.004 | 6.036% | 1.0000 | $0.6070 |
| March, 2018 | 10.2701 | 6.22% | 1.007 | 6.177% | 1.0000 | $0.6344 |
| June | 10.2518 | 6.22% | 0.995 | 6.251% | 1.0000 | $0.6408 |
| September | 10.2965 | 6.62% | 1.018 | 6.503% | 1.0000 | $0.6696 |
| December, 2018 | 8.6875 | 7.16% | 0.997 | 7.182% | 1.0000 | $0.6240 |
| March, 2019 | 8.4778 | 7.09% | 1.007 | 7.041% | 1.0000 | $0.5969 |
| June | 8.0896 | 7.33% | 0.996 | 7.359% | 1.0000 | $0.5953 |
| September | 7.7948 | 7.96% | 0.998 | 7.976% | 1.0000 | $0.6217 |
| December, 2019 | 8.0900 | 6.03% | 0.995 | 6.060% | 1.0000 | $0.4903 |
| March | 5.5596 | 7.04% | 1.006 | 6.998% | 1.0000 | $0.3891 |
| June | 6.3568 | 6.10% | 0.9900 | 6.162% | 1.0000 | $0.3917 |
| September | 7.2852 | 5.32% | 1.00 | 5.320% | 1.0000 | $0.3876 |
| December, 2020 | 8.3947 | 4.46% | 0.999 | 4.464% | 1.0000 | $0.3747 |
| March, 2021 | 9.6473 | 4.48% | 0.996 | 4.498% | 1.0000 | $0.4339 |
| June | 10.3712 | 3.92% | 0.985 | 3.980% | 1.0000 | $0.4127 |
| September | 10.7572 | 4.08% | 1.017 | 4.012% | 1.0000 | $0.4316 |
| December, 2021 | 10.7432 | 4.31% | 0.999 | 4.314% | 1.0000 | $0.4635 |
| March, 2022 | 10.5040 | 5.53% | 1.004 | 5.508% | 1.0000 | $0.5786 |
| June | 9.3115 | 7.04% | 0.993 | 7.090% | 1.0000 | $0.6672 |
| September | 8.4093 | 8.10% | 0.997 | 8.124% | 1.0000 | $0.6916 |
| December, 2022 | 7.9921 | 8.47% | 0.996 | 8.504% | 1.0000 | $0.6796 |
| March | 8.0788 | 7.90% | 0.997 | 7.924% | 1.0000 | $0.6401 |
| June 30 | 8.0197 | 9.19% | 1.003 | 9.163% | 1.0000 | $0.7348 |
| August 31, 2023 | 7.8199 | 9.77% | 0.993 | 9.839% | 1.0000 | $0.7694 |
| NAVPU is shown after quarterly distributions of dividend income and annual distribution of capital gains. Portfolio YTW includes cash (or margin borrowing), with an assumed interest rate of 0.00% The Leverage Divisor indicates the level of cash in the account: if the portfolio is 1% in cash, the Leverage Divisor will be 0.99 Securities YTW divides “Portfolio YTW” by the “Leverage Divisor” to show the average YTW on the securities held; this assumes that the cash is invested in (or raised from) all securities held, in proportion to their holdings. The Capital Gains Multiplier adjusts for the effects of Capital Gains Dividends. On 2009-12-31, there was a capital gains distribution of $1.989262 which is assumed for this purpose to have been reinvested at the final price of $10.5662. Thus, a holder of one unit pre-distribution would have held 1.1883 units post-distribution; the CG Multiplier reflects this to make the time-series comparable. Note that Dividend Distributions are not assumed to be reinvested. Sustainable Income is the resultant estimate of the fund’s dividend income per current unit, before fees and expenses. Note that a “current unit” includes reinvestment of prior capital gains; a unitholder would have had the calculated sustainable income with only, say, 0.9 units in the past which, with reinvestment of capital gains, would become 1.0 current units. |
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| DeemedRetractibles are comprised of all Straight Perpetuals (both PerpetualDiscount and PerpetualPremium) issued by BMO, BNS, CM, ELF, GWO, HSB, IAG, MFC, NA, RY, SLF and TD, which are not exchangable into common at the option of the company or the regulator (definition refined in May, 2011). These issues are analyzed as if their prospectuses included a requirement to redeem at par on or prior to 2022-1-31 (banks) or the Deemed Maturity date for insurers and insurance holding companies (see below)), in addition to the call schedule explicitly defined. See the Deemed Retractible Review: September 2016 for the rationale behind this analysis.
The same reasoning is also applied to FixedResets from these issuers, other than explicitly defined NVCC from banks. In November, 2019, the assumption of DeemedRetraction for insurance issues was cancelled in the wake of the IAIS decision included in ICS 2.0. This resulted in a large drop in the yield calculated for these issues |
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| The Deemed Maturity date for insurers was set at 2022-1-31 at the commencement of the process in February, 2011. It was extended to 2025-1-31 in April, 2013 and to 2030-1-31 in December, 2018. In November, 2019, the assumption of DeemedRetraction was cancelled in the wake of the IAIS decision included in ICS 2.0. | ||||||
| Yields for September, 2011, to January, 2012, were calculated by imposing a cap of 10% on the yields of YLO issues held, in order to avoid their extremely high calculated yields distorting the calculation and to reflect the uncertainty in the marketplace that these yields will be realized. From February to September 2012, yields on these issues have been set to zero. All YLO issues held were sold in October 2012. | ||||||
These calculations were performed assuming constant contemporary GOC-5 and 3-Month Bill rates, as follows:
| Canada Yields Assumed in Calculations | ||
| Month-end | GOC-5 | 3-Month Bill |
| September, 2015 | 0.78% | 0.40% |
| December, 2015 | 0.71% | 0.46% |
| March, 2016 | 0.70% | 0.44% |
| June | 0.57% | 0.47% |
| September | 0.58% | 0.53% |
| December, 2016 | 1.16% | 0.47% |
| March, 2017 | 1.08% | 0.55% |
| June | 1.35% | 0.69% |
| September | 1.79% | 0.97% |
| December, 2017 | 1.83% | 1.00% |
| March, 2018 | 2.06% | 1.08% |
| June | 1.95% | 1.22% |
| September | 2.33% | 1.55% |
| December, 2018 | 1.88% | 1.65% |
| March, 2019 | 1.46% | 1.66% |
| June | 1.34% | 1.66% |
| September | 1.41% | 1.66% |
| December, 2019 | 1.68% | 1.68% |
| March, 2020 | 0.57% | 0.21% |
| June | 0.37% | 0.21% |
| September | 0.35% | 0.14% |
| December, 2020 | 0.42% | 0.08% |
| March, 2021 | 0.94% | 0.09% |
| June | 0.93% | 0.13% |
| September | 1.07% | 0.13% |
| December, 2021 | 1.31% | 0.16% |
| March, 2022 | 2.44% | 0.53% |
| June | 3.24% | 2.11% |
| September | 3.45% | 3.60% |
| December, 2022 | 3.37% | 4.35% |
| March, 2023 | 2.93% | 4.44% |
| June | 3.74% | 5.00% |
| August, 2023 | 4.08% | 5.24% |
Yes yields are “eye-popping” so it is difficult to ignore this market. If you focus on the floating preferred shares you can attain yields in excess of 11%. I bought some Dundee floats today after ignoring this market for years. I also noticed even Fairfax has some floats yielding above 11%. This baffles me unless the market is assuming rates will fall – the heavily invented yield curve points to this possibility. On the other hand I like to look at oil prices as the precursor to what rates will do. Say rates stay the same for awhile, why would I buy a lower yielding perpetual from the same issuer when the floating preferred pay substantially more? As for resets, there is just too much data to keep track of….
“As for resets, there is just too much data to keep track of….”
Why do you believe this to be true Dan? The number one issue facing FRs today is the spread to GOC5 demanded of a hypothetical new issue, which is historically enormous. Is “this time is different”? I don’t think so.
Let’s just say for the Dundee reset, which is to occur on September 30th, 2024, if you assume the future Government of Canada 5 year rate to be the same as today, the payout should jump to roughly 8% (5yr rate plus 4%). With the shares at $18 this should give a future yield in the neighborhood of 11% (8×25/18). But since these shares can be exchanged in September, 2024 for the floats, the price of the shares should move up to the same price as the floats currently, or $20. So if you buy the fixed reset today you should see your shares rise from $18 to $20 and also receive the current yield of just over 7% or roughly 18% all things assumed equal. Remember this is just for the Dundee issue where there are only two issues and the reset is just over 1 year away. I wouldn’t want to do the calculations for the whole market. As for spreads, I was taught in university the dividend discount model for valuing stocks. I’m not sure what applies to preferred shares as the “discount rate” is generally regarded as the 5 year GOC rate. So if preferred shares float with the GOC 5 year rate their prices should remain relatively stable no matter what interest rates do assuming the asset coverage and cash flow coverage to be the same for the underlying company.
“So if preferred shares float with the GOC 5 year rate their prices should remain relatively stable no matter what interest rates do assuming the asset coverage and cash flow coverage to be the same for the underlying company.”
Right. Mostly. However, the price of any issue needs to be adjusted to accommodate the spread demanded of a hypothetical new issue for the same issuer and (relatively small) adjustments for the period remaining to reset.
At this moment, the spread demanded of the hypothetical new issue of all (discount) issuers is enormous and a historical anomaly. Current rates should have nothing to do with this (according to your logic). So the question is “do you believe this time is different?” Why? I don’t, so I see that FRs are tremendous value.
Agreed. They are a tremendous value. I can justify holding common shares for their dividends and assuming certain growth rates but I have to stretch things a bit. Preferred shares offer greater certainty and much greater security.
Dan Good, with respect to the Dundee prefs, the D series could drop to the same level as the Bs by Sept 2024. Or some combo where Bs move higher and the Ds lower.
I suspect the floaters have been juiced due to the current 90 day GoC rate. You were lucky to pick up shares near $18. Ask is typically in the $18.50 – $19 range. I expect Dundee to try and redeem the prefs within the next year, with an eye to re-purchasing below par. This is a very inefficient form of capital for them. Has been discussed on multiple earnings calls. Year to date, Dundee has re-purchased close to 400k of the D shares at $19.50 – $20.
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